Atlantean Hoard

Subject: Hawcoat

Posted by JK
Wednesday, April 04, 2001 at 08:12:55

My mother referred to Hawcoat as "The Land of Promise" usually because the residents promised to pay their bills next week.

I assume that the reason why Hawcoat boys were all breast-fed to their late teens, was that they couldn't afford to buy proper food.

When confronted by Mrs Flyte and the like, she would call it "Upper Ormsgill"

Subject: Drawrings

Posted by IT
Wednesday, April 04, 2001 at 05:28:44

Greetings from (almost) Beverly Hills, LA, where we posh Hawcoat kids with Mums spend our holidays. The thing that irks me most about southerners' speech habits is their way of saying drawRing - as in drawring room, drawring office etc. And also when northern speech is rendered into print by a southerner they write 'xxxx' for 'xxxx' - to my eyes that suggests that it should rhyme with 'book'.

Subject: a psychological question

Posted by ian
Tuesday, April 03, 2001 at 19:17:02

Phil, why are you so interested in your pens?

Subject: hawcoat

Posted by sebastian flyte
Tuesday, April 03, 2001 at 18:58:18

Not that most of you poor non-Hawcoat souls could know it, but one's mother was known as 'Mater', and we didn't eat biscuits, ragout (I suppose 'stew' is the nearest word in your vocabulary) or indeed any other food because we were breast fed until we left school.

Subject: The north/south divide

Posted by JK
Tuesday, April 03, 2001 at 17:24:04

Not only is their pronunciation suspect - but they make up new words to confuse us poor Northerners e.g. what's "A Lager Top" if it's not a lager shandy?

Subject: Mams, mums and pronunciations

Posted by Neil
Tuesday, April 03, 2001 at 17:06:50

I'm sure all expat Barrovians who live south of Manchester will be heartily fed up at sanctimonious southerners' pathetic mocking of northerners' proper pronunciation. We all know that moor is pronounced as "moo" with a finishing "r", ie "moo-r" - I mean hells, bells it is NOT spelt "more". Why can't they see this. Their own pronunciation is pretty pore if you arsk me. I want to know, also,who put the "r" in "ask" down here. Please, please tell me why they think northerners have lots of "grarse" in their fields? I am not paranoid and I am not making a mountain out of a "mowlhill".

Subject: Paranoia

Posted by Paul
Tuesday, April 03, 2001 at 16:14:40

Wasn't it Bill J who carved, "Help! Help! The PARANOIDS are after me?" into his sixth form desk? I've got to start preparing to leave now, my ginger snaps and tea aren't ready for about three hours but I have to prepare. Some times I deliberately leave the cupboards ajar, just to see if they close them afterwards. They can even hear your thoughts by bouncing laser beams off the windows and measuring the interference! Bet the Americans are peed off that the Chinese have their spy plane. That's 24 fewer spies poking their noses into my business. A few hundreds of thousands of local Tibetan people get crushed and mashed with no reaction, then the US of A goes apeshit over some fancy televisions and a few bundles of wire and glue stuck in a plane.


Posted by PFW
Tuesday, April 03, 2001 at 15:48:25

I hate Ginger Snaps and those pink wafery things but like custard creams and chocolate fingers. As a Drawing Office Team Leader, do you experts out there think I am in the right job?
Well the lack of psychotic attributes could be a drawback in this case. I enjoyed the live netcast of the launch.. but who was the rather stout master of ceremonies?
Mam Yes.. well Shirley did enjoy mocking my use of the term 'nana' and I thought he had quite a 'posh' accent... until that is I later realised it was some effete version of a Yorkshire accent.. albeit with good diction. Many years later I was pleased to hear some southern Camb graduate and international croquet player referring to his "gangan". A term that could surely only emerge from the lips of a drooling idiot in the final stages of senile dementia.

Subject: Hawcoat vs. The Rest, Mum vs. Mam

Posted by Brian McBride
Tuesday, April 03, 2001 at 15:01:22

I spent a large part of my formative years eating a delicious stew prepared by my Mam, affectionately known then and forever more by me as "Tatie Hash". Sadly, most of the posh Hawcoat types at BBGS festooned in verbosity knew of it only as "Hot-Pot".

Subject: Mams

Posted by John Keleher
Tuesday, April 03, 2001 at 13:36:33

I thought Hawcoat boys had mummies

Subject: Biscuits and Mam's

Posted by Ciaran
Tuesday, April 03, 2001 at 13:11:35

I hate Ginger Snaps and those pink wafery things but like custard creams and chocolate fingers. As a Drawing Office Team Leader, do you experts out there think I am in the right job? To change the subject there was an article in the Mail last week complaining that our northern culture was being undermined by the fact that you can't get a Mother's Day card with Mam on it, only Mum. Is it the end of the world as we know it? From memory I think Hawcoat lads had Mums but the rest of us had Mams!!


Posted by PFW
Tuesday, April 03, 2001 at 13:09:41

Salt? Is that a no no then?
Well anyway.. I wouldn't hope to have them interpreted.. just tabulate and publish the results for our greater enjoyment. Paul - Well I'm not against psychometric testing.. has some parallels to genetic screening. One question may have limited predictive power but the pattern of answers to a large series is interesting when compared between different groups. Making no statement about potential meaning just looking at the normal and abnormal profile. Perhaps the key point is that there is no normal mental health just a gradation in the way we cope with our different personality defects. For myself.. well I know they know I can fake the answers so I always avoid the patently obviously healthy answers! Besides I already know my colleagues talk about me behind my back! Those little meetings when I'm away! And my pens are always in a slightly different position on the desk.. of course it could be the cleaners but then why is it always the same pens?

Subject: Psycho-babble

Posted by Paul
Tuesday, April 03, 2001 at 12:59:56

Phil, that question about whether or not you'd volunteer for a mission with no likelihood of return - surely the most pertinent line of enquiry would have been where to? and how long did it last? Personality tests are eminently fakeable, the patronising gits who produce them think they're more than capable of spotting the odd discrepancy with a carefully disguised lie detector. If you have the misfortune to sit one, just ask yourself - if I was looking for an employee, which answer would I want them to give, and give it. It works, unless you'd like to employ an axe murderer.

Subject: Biscuits

Posted by P Syke O'Path
Tuesday, April 03, 2001 at 12:50:24

What if you'd asked, "do you like your biscuits with razor blades in"? Bet you'd identify the loopy ones then. Or gravel!!! or Salt!!!!!!

Subject: MMPI

Posted by Rolf
Tuesday, April 03, 2001 at 12:17:47

You're probably doing a disservice to Mal Hysom: you can't tell a person's personality from one question about biscuit preferences
Oh I don't know.. I prefer my biscuits handed to me on a silver plate by a high ranking Vatican official with foot-mounted echidnas and florid halitosis.
One can attempt to subvert the profiling though... despite an expressed longing for a life of raincoat analysis, I did in fact intend to embark on a one way trip to the outer planets by heat-resistant sporting support, and while I always purchase chocolate digestives in public, I do have a garage groaning with packets of ginger snaps.

Subject: biscuits

Posted by carl jung
Tuesday, April 03, 2001 at 11:53:16

You're probably doing a disservice to Mal Hysom: you can't tell a person's personality from one question about biscuit preferences, but you might from a whole collection of similar questions. People are shifty little buggers when it comes to taking personality tests and will try to fake them (that's why nearly every psychometric test has a lie scale built in to catch you out). By asking questions which apparently have no connection with what they're interested in (e.g. biscuit preferences), a test becomes difficult to fake. However, the psychologist knows what the answers mean. If you standardise the test by first giving it to a bunch of known nutters and seeing how their scores differ from (what passes for) normal, you can subsequently identify people with similar profiles. In the case in question, what MH probably meant was that 'ginger biscuit' was given more often by psychopaths than other groups. Having said all that, personality tests are still notoriously unreliable. Incidentally, the MMPI is a sod to interpret properly.

Subject: Auto-defenestration

Posted by Paul
Monday, April 02, 2001 at 18:47:02

Defenestration was responsible for the death of a member of the royal family at some point, I think. This example's a good one, and not many people miss a lawyer... "(1996, Toronto) Police said a lawyer demonstrating the safety of windows in a downtown Toronto skyscraper crashed through a pane with his shoulder and plunged 24 floors to his death. A police spokesman said Garry Hoy, 39, fell into the courtyard of the Toronto Dominion Bank Tower early Friday evening as he was explaining the strength of the building's windows to visiting law students. Hoy previously had conducted demonstrations of window strength according to police reports. Peter Lauwers, managing partner of the firm Holden Day Wilson, told the Toronto Sun newspaper that Hoy was "one of the best and brightest" members of the 200-man association." (From the Darwin Awards @ if you've not already been!)

Subject: Myers's

Posted by Neil
Monday, April 02, 2001 at 18:43:23

Ah yes, amazing how names are forgotten over the years' of alcohol consumption. Of course I remember Dave Myers - he was a fantastic artist. I'll bet his alopecia aureata hhas gone now and he has a full head of hair -unlike some us with boring old mpb!

Subject: Myers's

Posted by Neil
Monday, April 02, 2001 at 18:43:16

Ah yes, amazing how names are forgotten over the years' of alcohol consumption. Of course I remember Dave Myers - he was a fantastic artist. I'll bet his alopecia aureata hhas gone now and he has a full head of hair -unlike some us with boring old mpb!

Subject: Tuskers R Us

Posted by T F Bundy
Monday, April 02, 2001 at 18:40:04

'Tusker' was the schoolboy term used to describe a turd. A fart was a 'Boff', hence one 'Franked' during assemblies. On the subject of medical notes, Phil Hammond produced a dictionary of abbreviated diagnoses, amongst which were NFN which Sunderland medics used to scribble on Newcastle based patients' notes, and NFS which Newcastle doctors scribbled on Sunderland patients' papers. The best that I can remember, being 'normal for BBGS', was 'T. F. BUNDY'. If you ever encounter the name T F Bundy on your notes it stands for 'Totally F#####, But Unfortunately Not Dead Yet'.

Subject: Normal

Posted by Ern
Monday, April 02, 2001 at 18:19:03

There was a great fuss down here in the West Country some time ago, when it was dicovered that doctors in the regional hospital were marking some patients notes with 'NFB' (normal for Bridgwater) Can we define NFBBGS then?

Subject: Myers^2

Posted by John Keleher
Monday, April 02, 2001 at 16:31:09

It's not "Diddy" Myers - that's Keith, the last time I saw him was some years ago, he was pissed as a rat at our next door neighbour's very respectable party, having just jetted in from somewhere south of the equator. Dave Myers was the guy whose hair fell out in great chunks from about the age of 12. I have the utmost respect for him, because he endured the barrage of insults that you would expect from schoolboys, (e.g. "Serves him right for fighting with apaches!!") and turned out normal - well, as normal as anyone else from BBGS.


Posted by Ern
Monday, April 02, 2001 at 14:03:43

defenestrate v. tr. defenestrated, defenestrating, defenestrates. To throw out of a window. As for 'tusker' - well, enlighten us!!

Subject: Seagull crap

Posted by Neil
Monday, April 02, 2001 at 13:28:35

Is that "Diddy" Myers, what's he doing these days? Funnily enough I got dumped on by a seagull in Worcester High Street only last week (they fly up the River Severn from the Bristol Channel). The last time I visited Barrow there seemed to be fewer seagulls around Walney Channel than I remember as a lad. All the mussel beds have disappeared from the North Scale side of Jubilee Bridge as well, though I understand that this is due to opportunistic Scousers stripping them for the ubiquitous "Cockles/prawns" (and mussels) men who go around Merseyside pubs poisoning the locals with Barrovian e.coli and botulism.

Subject: MMPI

Posted by Poss
Monday, April 02, 2001 at 13:09:15

Phil, now look what you’ve done! After much straining of unused cortices, I finally remembered where I’d heard of the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Index. Damn, now I’m going to have to read ‘Gravity’s Rainbow’ again!

Subject: Psycho

Posted by PFW
Monday, April 02, 2001 at 11:46:18

Yes I was going to mention the famous psychological profile test... the alternative was a chocolate biscuit. I recall one of the questions was Would you volunteer for a mission from which you were unlikely to return. The important question should have been would the return be to Barrow. I did come across a careers advisor in later life.. I asked him at which point he had decided his future lay in offering careers advice. I did toy with the idea of providing a Minnesota Multiphasic test on the site.. but given most of our correspondents pursue this solitary vice in anonymity I figured there was little chance of getting a good response rate. Anyway.. the MMPI questions are under copyright.

Subject: More Careers and Stuff

Posted by Paul
Monday, April 02, 2001 at 11:16:14

Anyone remember a student teacher of careers (what on earth is there to teach about careers, especially as most teachers only teach because they've failed in their own ambitions). It would be about 1977/8 and a group of mature (ish) sixth form students were asked, "what would you like to be when you grow up?" Some choice answers were "astronaut" and "train driver". I think, Ern, an example of a defenestrator has already been provided, someone threw a stolen shoe threw a window in one of Fifi's excellent mucking about lessons. Was the classroom, or the shoe defenestrated? Where's Wilf when you need him? Oh, I remember Malcolm Hisom, with a strange interest in psychology, giving us a multi-choice profiling test in A level physics. Because I chose "ginger biscuit" instead of "chocolate biscuit" he said I was a psychopath. I did end up as a teacher so maybe he was correct after all. I also recall Jolly Jim Fryer being most upset by Ern's brother's (who's name escapes me), rough book plans to investigate the tensile strength of a "tusker" in his physics lab. If you're wondering, it wouldn't be possible to defenestrate a tusker, unless you froze it first.

Subject: Me

Posted by John Keleher
Monday, April 02, 2001 at 10:23:58

Neil I'm not in Barrow any more - having been a fully paid up member of the boomerang club, I left for the final time 7 years ago, and now work in North Essex but live in Suffolk - I just couldn't bring myself to be called "Essex Man". I haven't been fishing for years - I think I got put off when Dave Myers and I put out a long line at Roa Island and caught nothing but seagulls!!

Subject: Stephen Hawkwind

Posted by Stephen Hawkwind
Friday, March 30, 2001 at 18:36:14

I may drop the 'Thrasher'!

Subject: Zeneca

Posted by Phil Spector
Friday, March 30, 2001 at 14:45:33

Neil Young natch... It's pretty good actually but I'm merely puckish not quite a total swine so I will blanket the identity for the time being.....

Subject: Man at Zeneca

Posted by Poss
Friday, March 30, 2001 at 12:05:17

Phil - From the tone of your earlier posting I would hazard that the 'man currently employed by Zeneca' would rather his version of 'On the Beach' never made it into the public domain. Is that the Neil Young 'On the Beach' or the Chris Rea 'On the Beach'? Both great songs (uh-oh not v. cool to own up to liking a Chris Rea song. Oh well!). Or perhaps another 'On the Beach' that I don't know of? No matter, yes, bring it on.

Subject: Who were the Instructions?

Posted by Poss
Friday, March 30, 2001 at 12:03:30

Hi, Ern! I’ve been talking to Phil and he's helped me fill in the lineup of the Instructions. They were: John Kime - vocals; Phil Watson - guitar; Bob Parker - guitar; Jacko Hemsworth - guitar; Charlie Watling - guitar; Gaz Glew - synth; Raz Graham - bass; Gary Power - drums. Repertoire was your standard two chord (e.g. The Seeds ‘Pushin’ too Hard’), or even as a concession to Charlie’s technique (sorry Chas!), one chord (‘Pablo Picasso’ by the Modern Lovers) punk/grunge thrash. ‘Heyday’ would have been as Phil said around 1980-81, though I did play one gig with them at an open air concert in the park shortly after the 1983 General Election. I think Charlie had probably moved away then, and I guess they desperately needed a replacement guitarist ;-). Yes, I'm sure none of the members will mind a description of 'very shambolic', they made the Upper Crust look competent and the Prime Movers (remember them?) were Steely Dan in comparison.

Subject: You

Posted by Neil Rayner
Thursday, March 29, 2001 at 17:56:35

Hello John - nice to see another 1969'er find the site. Are you still in Barrow?At present I'm sitting in my office in Worcester looking out of the window at scores of MAFF staff and troops getting prepared for a bit of sheep slaughtering. It's pretty bad down here in Worcestershire, but nowhere near the state of Cumbria just yet. What galls me most is that Brad Fleet (now in Wiltshire), Keith Mills(Barrow) and I will almost certainly have to cancel our bi-annual fishing trip to Ireland this year. The Irish government has banned fishing - mind you there are plenty of of anti-everything people in the Midlands who are trying to get the noble sport banned here also and regularly shout things like "murderer" at anglers whilst letter bombing human beings. Still, anything beats sitting by Ormsgill reservoir for hours catching not a lot!

Subject: BBGS Site

Posted by John Keleher
Thursday, March 29, 2001 at 16:33:20

Excellent work - It certainly brings back loads of memories, and has made me determined to dig out all the old crap that I thought I'd never look at again - if I think you could find a use for it, I'll forward it. Thanks for all of your efforts

Subject: Instructions

Posted by Ern
Thursday, March 29, 2001 at 11:38:14

Great name though - I once sat in with a band in Taunton called 'The Defenestrators' - dictionary time.

Subject: Inst

Posted by PFW
Wednesday, March 28, 2001 at 19:40:52

This must have been 80-81? Luckily Ern never witnessed it.
Our best review was from an irate punter and his girlfriend. He just repeated in a stunned manner.. "what was it? you couldn't dance to it" I can still see his mouth sort of hanging open. Long on members, short on musical coordination. I have a feeling I have a tape somewhere... now there's a threat. I also possess a certain recording of a man now currently employed by Zeneca.. doing a cover of "On the Beach"
Whaddaya say.. RealAudio?

Subject: Instructions

Posted by Ern
Wednesday, March 28, 2001 at 18:28:44

Hi, Poss! My memory seems to have a(nother) gap where 'The Instructions' are concerned. Who?, when? where? etc.

Subject: Instructions

Posted by PFW
Wednesday, March 28, 2001 at 17:18:14

Well that would have to be "Poss".. the full handle I never knew!
There is some dispute over the identity of Chas.. I did put a name in and I reckon I'm right. Maybe you know of his current activities? The link to the possible image is a long shot.
Don't forget to upload any interesting images.. I do have some shots of the Insts.. but sadly you don't appear... your reputation is safe.

Subject: overlooked again (twice!)

Posted by John Postlethwaite
Wednesday, March 28, 2001 at 17:09:54

Phil Any chance of a link to on your links page? Its got a Barrow AFC bias, but we’re trying to make it the definitive list of links to Barrow and Furness sites on the net (We nicked a couple of yours, but don’t be miffed, we steal them from anywhere!). I entered the names of a few 'unknown' fifth formers from the 1972 picture earlier (part V - 1.2, 1.7, 1.10, 1.12 and sporadic others). Bit disappointed though, that you don’t seem to recall either Charlie Watling (third best guitarist in the Instructions) or myself (best guitarist who sort of sat in with the Instructions - unless Ern ever gigged with you, that is) from the days of that, um... seminal Barrow band.

Subject: Scrub

Posted by Billy
Wednesday, March 28, 2001 at 16:29:21

Upland grass tastes s***e, gimmme scrub anyday...bbbllllaaaaahhhh.

Subject: Scrub

Posted by Larry
Wednesday, March 28, 2001 at 16:28:18

I'll not let t' b*****s slaughter me, I,m off t' dress up as a wolf.!

Subject: Careers

Posted by PFW
Wednesday, March 28, 2001 at 13:45:38

Yes.. interesting to reflect on different approaches to offspring.
I guess some of us had parents who, when we passed the 11+ to go to BBGS, simultaneously discovered the prolonged multiple orgasm. The future now was full of promise. Not only could you get into Vickers but you may be able to go to work in a tie! I can imagine having graduate parents may have resulted in a slightly different career plan. On the upside one could have then pursued slightly larger goals with some kind of strategy and even been exposed to some cultural influences... On the downside.. the threshold of achievement is then raised and the poor sod may have to endure years of vague parental disappointment and possibly costly psychiatric treatment in later life. My modest triumphs were always met with almost unbounded joy, providing me with a comforting, if misplaced, sense of worth.

Subject: careers

Posted by ian
Wednesday, March 28, 2001 at 13:30:17

Unfortunately, my elders and betters seemed to take too great an interest in my career prospects. Having been put up to it by a couple of my peers who had better remain nameless, I put down 'undertaker' as my sole choice. Needless to say, Crab was not amused. When he called my bluff, I then told the truth that I wanted to be a psychologist, which made the reaction to 'undertaker' seem mild in comparison. Both he and Sledge spent some time trying to persuade me that I'd be happier taking English or History. It seemed to me that unless you wanted Vickers, the law or secondary school teaching, it was perceived that you were displaying anarchic tendancies. By the way, did anyone ever have the nerve to put down 'careers master' as their chosen profession?

Subject: Careers

Posted by PFW
Wednesday, March 28, 2001 at 13:06:37

I don't recall much in the way of careers advice... save being told that I couldn't do almost anything.. due to colour blindness!.. chemistry, electrician, rocket science, driving a bus or train.
I did fail the initial attempt to join the mighty engine of industry that was Vickers. I was forced to then memorise the colour blindness test book in terms of numbers I saw and numbers I should see! I passed a re-test.. thanks mainly to the intervention of the kind Mr. Jolly then head of SMITE. Things went OK.
Not much blew up. However... the plant schematics were revised by me and we had a sudden change of waste steam piping from blue to purple. Questions were asked but I waved them away as a question of taste. I recall the drawing part was carried out by an individual whom xxxx xxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxx M Cooper?

Subject: Careers advice

Posted by Ciaran
Wednesday, March 28, 2001 at 12:57:12

I vividly recall a form I once filled in with first and second choice 1. Airline Pilot 2. Electrician (like my dad) Needless to say, no body actually spoke to me about my chosen careers or why they were so different. I was horrified to find out when I actually started Vickers as a draughtsman that we had to go to college to study for ONC and HNC examinations for the next four years. If I'd received even that advice, I'd probably have stayed on. Still, I have flown in many Jets and have rewired most of my house.


Posted by pFW
Wednesday, March 28, 2001 at 12:55:21

I did see that Willie Horne story.. though I suspect he was more of a figure to my mother's generation.
I was struck yesterday by the notice in the Mail concerning Andy Cockshott.. one of the pleasant guys I worked with in t'yard.

Subject: Herdwicks

Posted by Alan T
Wednesday, March 28, 2001 at 12:39:59

According to yesterday's Mail, four years will see scrubland taking an unshakeable hold in the fells, so that's it for the lakes. Last one out shut the door. BTW, in the absence of any obituary/anecdotes, can I assume that many expat Barrovians aren't aware of the sad death of Willie Horne last week?

Subject: Careers advice

Posted by IT
Wednesday, March 28, 2001 at 12:02:18

I remember filling in a questionnaire for computer analysis. Would I rather be planting potatoes or changing sump oil? That sort of thing. Oddly enough my interest came out as literary and artistic. Not surprising since I was studying English and Art. They still couldn't think of anything more interesting for me than being a lawyer (better money than lecturing in landscape architecture, but not as interesting).

Subject: Save the Herdwick

Posted by Concerned (IT)
Wednesday, March 28, 2001 at 11:58:34

I saw on the telly last night that the government is threatening to cull all the Herdwick sheep in the Lake District. As they are a strange breed, reputedly off ships in the sunken Spanish Armada they will be impossible to replace and in 15 ungrazed years, the Lake District will look like the Black Forest. So I urge all of you to go out to the Lake District this weekend, put a sheep in your boot and keep it as a pet until this crisis is over.

Subject: Careers

Posted by PFW
Tuesday, March 27, 2001 at 20:15:33

Well I'm reluctant to blame Crab.. I confess that my visions of a future career was based on episodes of Bewitched.. I thought I'd come home from some vague activity in an office and be handed a martini by a fetching sorceress and relax in a luxurious home. The first holes appeared in this pleasant cerebral tapestry when a grinning illiterate informed me he was docking 15 minutes pay from me for arriving at my designated grovel station some 30 seconds late.
I will say this.... in the absence of informed guidance some us where playing bridge while our peers knew from the start that the game was whist.

Subject: Right first time

Posted by Right third time
Tuesday, March 27, 2001 at 19:53:38

Talk of having to research "Fat Neck Disease" rather than being able to partake in other, more satisfying, pursuits brings back recollections of Brian McSweeney's careers advisory service. How many innocents, I wonder, went to their 6th form interviews hoping for inspiration and coming out thinking that Vickers was a pretty good way to go? He was a decent maths teacher but Fred should really have given a tad more thought as to who the provider of careers advice should be.


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Subject: Pics

Posted by PFW
Wednesday, March 21, 2001 at 22:30:14

Yes very funny Ern... what can I say.. there were no straight glasses
I hope to fix it up with a short description input and get it to squirt out some suitable HTML to display nicely... sadly my employers seem to want me to devote my time to finding the basis of fat neck disease.
Anyway.. neither of us need the "Just for Men" yet... and we have more hair left than many of our contemporaries.. I await further sights...

Subject: Beer

Posted by Ern
Wednesday, March 21, 2001 at 21:02:30

That script seems to work nicely Phil

Subject: Tez

Posted by Alan T
Wednesday, March 21, 2001 at 17:56:13

I never had the privilege, but while I was at school, most of his pupils in my year seemed very taken with his attitude to life and general piss-taking demeanour.

Subject: Tez (again!)

Posted by Paul
Wednesday, March 21, 2001 at 10:52:03

I'm not sure whether I've already reported this one. We used to have Craig Stevens in our English class, who was deaf in his left ear. Tez used to habitually sneak up on air-ware soles until only millimeters from Craig and bawl "WAKE UP STEVENS" at the top of his voice in his deaf ear. Very, very funny and not a little cruel. Remember Tom Hickey? "Fifteen pints of lager and a bag of crisps, hur, hur" - whenever anyone farted Tez always accused Tom. Tom was actually an athletics star for Butler House, the house for which Tez was house master (explains his sarcasm - Butler always came last, except for table tennis where they came third, once). Tom threw the discus, but quite often he would fall over and break a bone in his arm. Tez actually gave me 10/10 twice for my composition, so was a great favourite of mine. Sad that he's no longer with us. And he ALWAYS chewed gum in class.

Subject: Tez and Discipline

Posted by Neil
Wednesday, March 14, 2001 at 16:39:56

There was one famous incident when Tez decided that a third form English class needed some proper discipline. For a whole period he walked up and down the aisles between desks picking on each pupil one by one. His technique was to stand behind the seated victim, completely destroy his character with appropriate sarcastic comments,then whack him round the back of the head with a heavy textbook. Despite the physical bit (for which he would surely be arrested these days) we all thought it was a hoot and had a good laugh afterwards!

Subject: Tez

Posted by ian
Wednesday, March 14, 2001 at 13:23:41

My most treasured memory of Tez was when on day 1 of our sixth form Eng Lit course, he opened up The Wife of Bath's Tale, read out the first few lines, and declared 'well I don't know about you, but I can't stand the thought of spending the next two years reading this' and proceded to find another text for us to study. Like Wilf, he could enthuse about poetry and novels and get teenage males interested without making it sound like an activity one step removed from flower arranging. He also had that rare gift of being sarcastic without ever causing real offence. Very sad he died so young.

Subject: Skid

Posted by Steve Pick
Wednesday, March 14, 2001 at 05:08:53

I have fond memories of Skid. I don't remember how he got that name but was always funny in a very dry sense. I was always amazed how quickly he could come out with a line. My mind goes back to a daily routine after school of walking up to the corner at Abbey Rd with Skid, Bob Batty (also sadly departed at a young age), Don Trangmar, Dave Parker and Chas Charnley and perhaps, meeting with some of the girls. Can't for the life of me remember any of the conversations but I do remember Skid would punctuate the scene with great humour.It was sad to hear he had passed away so early. Must be 10 years or more now I would guess. It was nice to see his smiling face.


Posted by IT
Tuesday, March 13, 2001 at 17:14:00

He was 'Tez' to us. He can't have been very old when he died? Most Grammar School Masters seem to live forever.

Subject: Tez

Posted by Dave Casssidy
Tuesday, March 13, 2001 at 16:34:53

Sadly yes he died of a heart atack a few years ago now. Does anyone remember risking the phleg pit for a dinner ticket? or a papermate pen?

Subject: Tez

Posted by Ern
Tuesday, March 13, 2001 at 14:07:26

So has Mr. Mayes passed on then?

Subject: "Skid"

Posted by PW
Tuesday, March 13, 2001 at 10:08:25

Indeed Steve it is none other than "Skid" Mayes.. though he was known to us as "Tez" or more flamboyantly as "Captain Sarcastic" for his deft putdown skills and general demeanour.


Posted by
Tuesday, March 13, 2001 at 03:24:03

Phil, My question is; "who is the guy with glasses seated" at the front of the "sass" link? I don't know Derek Walmsley, but the image looks like the late Skid Mayes. I knew Skid well as a student. I believe he later taught at the school but living outside the country since 1963 it is difficult to keep up with everything.

Subject: Sass

Posted by PW
Thursday, March 08, 2001 at 10:10:36

Due to the herculean efforts of Derek "Sass" Walmsley in scanning all theimages and collating the names.."Skid" Mayes? Steve please enlarge on this....

Subject: Sass?

Posted by Steve Pick
Thursday, March 08, 2001 at 03:39:06

Please help me understand Sass?It looks like the late "Skid" Mayes but I don't see the connection to SASS.Steve

Subject: Gomez

Posted by Eva Braun
Wednesday, March 07, 2001 at 18:45:19

Or my husband of 55 years, who is now vell advanced in years.

Subject: gomez

Posted by reg varney
Wednesday, March 07, 2001 at 11:57:34

The august features of Mr Eales never reminded me of Gomez as much as the Inspector on 'On the Buses ' (Blakey?).

Subject: Photos

Posted by
Tuesday, March 06, 2001 at 17:40:24

So where are these pictures?

59 Photos in the Sass Archive

Subject: creeping jockeys

Posted by PW
Tuesday, March 06, 2001 at 17:05:34

He's looking for his tailor?

Subject: pants

Posted by IT
Tuesday, March 06, 2001 at 17:03:47

Why is that chap whose underpants are crawling up his bum carrying a rifle?

Subject: pants

Posted by IT
Tuesday, March 06, 2001 at 17:03:29

Why is that chap whose underpants are crawling up his bum carrying a rifle?


Posted by Ern
Tuesday, March 06, 2001 at 12:34:25

Gomez again!!!!! Arrrrrgh! all those years in therapy wasted.

Subject: Server

Posted by PW
Saturday, March 03, 2001 at 10:43:15

Hopefully the damned image server will actually work now....

Subject: Degrees

Posted by neil
Thursday, March 01, 2001 at 21:21:15

Hello Dougal/Steve - it's also 28 degrees here...farenheit, that is. The big battles were with Risedale so far as I can recall, scenes just like in a Cecil B DeMille movie. Having said that, I can't recall any actual fighting, just big standoffs and verbal abuse.

Subject: Choppers

Posted by Ciaran
Thursday, March 01, 2001 at 10:00:07

Well I never got my spokes kicked in when I passed the 11 plus, I guess the people from Walney were more civilised (as I've always suspected)Me and My mate Tony Williamson both got Choppers for passing, the real ones too with large seats for illeagal passengers and adjustable handlebars so you could pop wheelies at any time.Didn't last long as the box frame design couldn't withstand the Evel Kneivel style Jumps we used to attempt.


Posted by Dougal
Thursday, March 01, 2001 at 09:32:43

Yes The Dougal. Who can remember one lunchtime in the early 70s when there was nearly a huge battle between BBGS and one other school invading our playing fields. Was it the Tech. Can't remember. Dougal alive & well down under. No snow or foot & mouth or even train crashes, the best part is that we get BBC world service news here. About 28 deg c here today.

Subject: Aggro

Posted by Brian McBride
Thursday, March 01, 2001 at 09:01:13

I recollect getting the spokes of my bike kicked-in even before I started at the BBGS - my mistake was to tell the kids in my street that I'd passed the 11-plus at Abbotsmead.

Subject: Aggro

Posted by Graham Spencer
Wednesday, February 28, 2001 at 22:37:27

Oh yes Al, brings back memories of having to walk past Risedale school every morning / evening.Many a night it was a jog/ run through the park/ over the playing fields etc being chased by a motley crew (half of which I remembered from Junior School). Amazing how the effect of a Grammar School Blazer has/ had on some people.

Subject: Aggro

Posted by Alan T
Wednesday, February 28, 2001 at 20:32:45

Hmmm. Inter cult violence was always a problem, but the violence stayed when the cults went away. Who remembers being filled in by Risedale/Holker St/ Alfred Barrow lads on the way to or from school? The Technical School never seemed to bother, probably because many of them thought they were a superior race anyway. Well, they were allowed metalwork and Tech drawing weren't they?


Posted by Alan T
Wednesday, February 28, 2001 at 20:29:37


Posted by IT
Wednesday, February 28, 2001 at 16:41:13

Living in Barrow during the Boot Boy era was a bit like living in a wood full of quarrelsome bears. Some of them could appear quite friendly, then offer to take you inside the toilets of the Catholic Youth Centre (or anywhere else for that matter) and rub a broken glass in your face - when this particular offer was made to me, I declined, but didn't dare go back there for weeks. There was also an interesting confrontation at some kind of school fete where the hippy party, mostly recent old boys back from campus and led by 'Daddy'Wynn's son, was set upon by a bunch of skins led by a sixth former whose nickname was Jap'Ead. Needless to say, love and peace did not triumph that day.

Subject: comment

Posted by Steve Berridge
Tuesday, February 27, 2001 at 20:26:03

Well i never! After all those years Moonhead lives in cyberspace, I can't believe it!Great site I never new it existed and was only thinking the other day if one existed.Visited my parents in Barrow last week and stayed in The Victoria Park Hotel and met John Satterthwaite's dad.

Subject: Teenage angst

Posted by Margaret Mead
Tuesday, February 27, 2001 at 15:45:02

Well the invisibility of teenagers could be a result of displacement by ageing "teenagers" sporting shorts and riding their scooters.. the poor young swine can't get a look in. As for the demise of boot boys.. surely this can only be a good thing. I like to think that a yob kicking in a pensioner's head is carrying out an act of rugged individualism and not just part of some gang.Now in my time in Samoa...

Subject: Bootboys

Posted by A. Sociologist
Tuesday, February 27, 2001 at 13:07:31

Well Dougal (Not THE Dougal?) like many youth-cults, they have disappeared into the homogenised mass that is today's young people. In the main, one cannot distinguish the lovers of one type of music from another simply by their dress codes. It is a sad loss to the world that we no longer have bootboys, rudeboys, punks, mods, rockers or any other type of teenege rebellion manifesting itself on the High Streets of out land. Apart from Graffitti, pavements littered with gum and the crime pages of our local rag, teenagers have become practically invisible. The sanitisation of pop music must be held responsible, the proliferation of smooth as silk "Boy Bands" and their ilk. Modern life is rubbish. As Blur once said. Ahem. Now where were we?

Subject: Bootboys

Posted by Dougal
Tuesday, February 27, 2001 at 09:31:42

I've just been reading up on the posts.It's jogged my memory a bit. Who can remember the bootboys. Suppose they still have them? This was 73 & 74 .Those Crombie? coats red socks & doc Martens,and I never worked out what the boys & girls got up to at lunchtimes behind the builders sheds.

Subject: Scouse House

Posted by EJ Thribb
Saturday, February 24, 2001 at 10:49:05

Risedale Road

Subject: Two Heathers

Posted by Alan T
Friday, February 23, 2001 at 15:21:24

Maybe they're related to the baby cheeses my Godson thought he was singing about in the Christmas play at nursery? Troll, I had quite forgotten the Z's august establishment. I had at least one Fair-Isle fronted tank-top from them.The only person I can remember in a braided/piped blazer was one Andrew Wernham lately of the Parish of Carlisle. Are you out there Andrew?


Posted by Neil
Friday, February 23, 2001 at 13:37:28

Z Bros jumpers - LOUD, LOUD, LOUD! Talking of loud I wonder if Brian Otto is still in good voice. I'm sure that everyone who posts here will remember his soaring and variable harmonics during assemblies as he attacked 19th century hymns with a Pavarotti-style gusto. Until I was about 13 I wondered who he was referring to in the one that goes.... "For his mercies ay endure, Heather Faithful, Heather Sure" - who WERE the two Heathers?


Posted by IT
Friday, February 23, 2001 at 09:49:54

We haven't heard much from old Spiffing lately (unless he is one of the Troll's aliases). A yellow and blue piping type if there ever was one.

Subject: Clobber

Posted by 3f
Friday, February 23, 2001 at 09:44:43

I wonder where Jeremy Spiffing was kitted out?Liverpool House perhaps.A prize for the address of this establishment.

Subject: AlanT

Posted by Troll
Friday, February 23, 2001 at 09:40:30

Alan,You forgot Z bros.

Subject: Ben Sherman's

Posted by IT
Thursday, February 22, 2001 at 22:18:25

Bens!! The ultimate status symbol. How many Ben's have you got?Enough to wear a different one every day of the week?! And they cost, would you believe it, about £3.50 each!!!Curiously I've taken to wearing them again recently, though they have nothing like the resonance they once had.PS I was a Hawcoat boy who never had anything other than serge.

Subject: McDowell's

Posted by Alan T
Thursday, February 22, 2001 at 16:58:40

Troll is mistaken, I fear. I was a Hindpool boy, (As I still am) and went (was taken along more likely) to McDowell's for my school clobber till they closed. (I remember a particularly awful shirt from there) Clothes for casual wear and football matches came from Stone Dri, Impact Four, Peter's or Henry's. Remember them? Ben Shermans and Harrington Jackets? Eat your hearts out todays' youth!I can also remember my parents buying something from Justin's in Manchester for my eldest cousin. Now he was a hipster! Ford Anglia, Doc Martens, the lot.

Subject: Caps etc.

Posted by Troll
Thursday, February 22, 2001 at 10:23:20

McDowells! Only people from Hawcoat had McDowells attire.I recall theirblazers had an expensive sheen to them which stood out like dogs ballsamongst the hordes of Co-op and Browns the busy bee versions which werefashioned from a sort of army store serge which lost its colour very quickly.Even more tricky were the barathea? ones with the yellow piping-very classy.Needless to say,the troll was resplendent in serge.

Subject: Caps/ shorts

Posted by Graham Spencer
Wednesday, February 21, 2001 at 16:10:21

I too remember being the proud owner of a school cap, although I do remember it being optional and as such most did not have. Needless to say I didn't wear it much due to others extracting the urine somewhat (ended up in the cricket bag) . As for shorts only one of our entry wore these and boy did I feel sorry for him. Ironically starting day was my "first" day of longs and I remember having to convince my mother to allow me such a priveledge.Schools caps & shorts however did come in useful when trying to gain entry to Barrow AFC and the like for a concessionary rate.

Subject: Velcro Badges

Posted by Brian McBride
Wednesday, February 21, 2001 at 14:34:34

My collection of velcro badges weren't only restricted to the BBGS variety, in those days, Bob Ferguson and myself made a regular monthly pilgrimage to Manchester to buy all that that was new and not available in Barrow. First stop was always to get get a decent haircut in John Dalton Street, followed by a seemingly endless browse in the "Spin-Inn" record shop on Corporation Street, making a complete nuisance of ourselves by asking the owner the title of every Northern Soul sound he was playing. "Justin's" boutique within the Oasis market (long gone) and "Stolen From Ivor's" (still in business, although re-located)were always favourite places for our "fashion" accessories. It was there that I came upon the velcro badge idea. In those days, Fred Perry and Slazenger sweaters were the items to be seen in. Unfortunately, they came in a limited choice of colours, so the obvious answer was to buy a decent quality tank-top to match your new dungarees and sculpted blow-wave and slap on a made-to measure designer logo available for just 2/6. The sense of anticipation on how the outfit would be received at Maxim's or the Penny Farthing that night was almost unbearable!


Posted by
Wednesday, February 21, 2001 at 13:15:00

I seem to remember that grey flannel shorts were the required uniform for first years in my day (1966 entry), and I think it was only in the third form that boys were alowed to go into 'longs'. But during my passage through the school that rule seemed to slacken and most 'fags' arrived in proper pants.As for caps, we wore 'em; in the sixth form we all got a special 'prefect's cap' with an extra gold hoop. Bob Ferguson threw mine in a tin of spilled paint somewhere around the back of the gym. It stank thereafter, but my parents refused to replace it. Caps were the ultimate embarassment, to be scrunched into a pocket as soon as you were outside the school gates. Brian McBride, who has posted here, had a clever blazer badge on velcro which he could whip off as soon as he was clear.

Subject: Caps etc.

Posted by Alan T
Wednesday, February 21, 2001 at 12:55:09

Ciaran's mention of McDowell's set off a few memories. Several of our year were also banned from wearing caps at that time, Peter Ross and Tim Killip among the guilty parties I recall. Ian's mention of the till to cashier wire system - McDowell's had a similar system in place during the early 70s when I was being clothed in uniform. It may still be there, having closed as the Book Corner a few years ago, the place is now a baby wear shop. Dave Pickthall turned up for the first day of term in the first year wearing shorts, but he did have a leg in plaster at the time.

Subject: caps

Posted by ian
Wednesday, February 21, 2001 at 09:58:22

By 1971, caps, along with shorts, were marked as 'optional' on the list of school clothing sent to parents. However, I do remember Stoker doing a patrol at the end of school one bitterly cold winter to see if anyone was daring to wear a woolly hat not in the school colours.

Subject: Hats and Caps

Posted by Ciaran
Wednesday, February 21, 2001 at 08:11:33

Did anyone actually own a school Cap?I still have one buried away in the attic.A few of us bought them when McDowells (opposite Willie Hornes) closed down in about 1974 and were immediately banned from wearing them in class for taking the piss!!When did they actually stop wearing them officially does anyone know?


Posted by Neil
Tuesday, February 20, 2001 at 23:17:06

Tea party sevices could be a winner in Barrow, then everyone could be mad as a hatter. Frank Wood was the shop's name by the way. I still have a flat hat bought from there, though the eastern European "mixed fibres" shrank after an April shower.

Subject: ians

Posted by ian
Tuesday, February 20, 2001 at 19:46:25

Alan, no, you're thinking of the other Ian (I was the tall fat pretentious one a couple of years older - come to think of it, all the attributes still apply). However, I'm usually in Sunderland every year to visit friends, so Beamish is a possibility. I always liked the shop - it was like the set for Hobson's Choice, and the last place I ever saw that system of sending bills over to the cash till on those wire things.

Subject: Lucrative Business

Posted by Graham Spencer
Tuesday, February 20, 2001 at 15:40:10

I also believe there is a good healthy economy for things that "fell off the back of a lorry".And from recollection the trade in the local "watering holes" has always been extremely popular and thriving. JUst check out town/gaza strip etc at the weekends.

Subject: Frank Wood etc.

Posted by Alan T
Tuesday, February 20, 2001 at 12:45:42

The museum at Beamish got them Ian, near enough for a visit! Or am I confusing Ians? My last visit there didn't produce a trip round the shop, it wasn't rebuilt, just stored.In reply to EW, Plumbing and Heating keeps the wolves away from the door. Any further smugness on his part will result in a call out for my second business, "Sending the Boys Round-R-Us". (JOKE) PS Recreational drugs are quite lucrative too, I believe

Subject: museum piece

Posted by ian
Tuesday, February 20, 2001 at 11:29:32

Weren't the shop fittings in 'Frank the Hatter' sold to some heritage museum when the place was knocked down?

Subject: Business

Posted by EW
Tuesday, February 20, 2001 at 10:18:40

Yes.. but that begs the question of what kind of small business would thrive in the area?
Ballgown hire?
Gentlemen's Outfitters
(p.s. Does anyone else recall the shop on Forshaw St.. on the side in large letters was "Frank XXX The Hatter".. I don't remember his last name)
Banger tuning
Luxury holiday apartments

Further suggestions on a postcard.

Subject: Another triumph

Posted by IT
Tuesday, February 20, 2001 at 10:07:46

On the local news last night it said that Barrow was at the very bottom of the national league table for small business start ups. It made me feel nostalgic for the days in which Barrow AFC bumped along at the very bottom of the Fourth Division.

Subject: Guttersnipes

Posted by Alan T
Wednesday, February 14, 2001 at 11:10:02

Well we did, didn't we? All of us, not just the class of '72-'77.As for Dave Pickthall, (Petty Cash) he went into the RN and did design work on Sea Dart Missile operating systems. I believe that information may be classified.

Subject: Guttersnipes

Posted by Alan T
Wednesday, February 14, 2001 at 11:09:42

Well we did, didn't we? All of us, not just the class of '72-'77.As for Dave Pickthall, (Petty Cash) he went into the RN and did design work on Sea Dart Missile operating systems. I believe that information may be classified.

Subject: Cash/ Hamer

Posted by Graham Spencer
Wednesday, February 14, 2001 at 10:51:07

The dream team was definitely Cash & Stoker !!!!!! what a combination.Hamer used to say we spoke with the language of the "guttersnipe!!!!"

Subject: CASH

Posted by Graham Spencer
Wednesday, February 14, 2001 at 10:48:41

Talking of Cash always reminds me when he kept us behind after school with the famous saying " I'll keep you here indefinitely...... till 5 o'clock"Whatever happened to "Petty Cash" who was in our year??? I heard he ran away to sea (as if anyone would)

Subject: Cash

Posted by IT
Wednesday, February 14, 2001 at 09:01:42

Well I never met the Hamer guy, but he doesn't seem to have endeared himself! Alan is right about Cash... a natural Head if there ever was one, who would have kept order but with a degree of humour and humanity. Bloody good history teacher too.

Subject: sporting heroes 12

Posted by ian
Tuesday, February 13, 2001 at 20:06:52

Phil, if 5 quid gets the photo taken off, how much is to keep it there?

Subject: Sledge

Posted by Alan T
Tuesday, February 13, 2001 at 16:31:46

He was a high-handed tosser. Didn't frighten anyone, unlike his predecessor. They should've given Cash the job, he did it for a least one year, or was it two? Now he was scary!

Subject: sledge

Posted by ian
Monday, February 12, 2001 at 16:50:22

In answer to the query 'what was Hamer like?' I think I can say without fear of contradiction that he is a fine example of what a Cambridge education can do to a man.

Subject: Hamer

Posted by W
Monday, February 12, 2001 at 11:08:06

Hamer ultimately replaced Moon
Looking at the photos he does have an extraordinary talent for the sneer!
Maybe he felt hard done by that he should end his career in the provinces... one always got that impression.


Posted by IT
Monday, February 12, 2001 at 10:51:40

Who was this Hamer person and why does he look like someone has stuffed a rotting prawn up his nose?

Subject: Photos

Posted by W
Sunday, February 11, 2001 at 10:47:48

The new photos are linked under the BBGS menu...


Posted by W
Sunday, February 11, 2001 at 09:33:27

Yes there is a slight wobble on the server.Should be more stable later today.

Subject: images

Posted by paul sneesby
Sunday, February 11, 2001 at 00:04:46

don't seem to be able to access your images.I've been told image 22 might interest me.would appeciate it if you could email it.Re G.Spencer's high jumpposting .the initial height was 1.34m -any u16 would be able to step over it.modesty prevents further comment.

Subject: Dave Coward

Posted by Derek Walmsley
Saturday, February 10, 2001 at 15:11:39

Yes, I misread the handwriting on the back of the photograph, sorry! Thanks for the correction.

Subject: Image 1

Posted by Alan T
Saturday, February 10, 2001 at 13:42:35

D. Cavard is actually Dave Coward. Joe Ducie, his neighbour sadly died in a motorbike accident in around 1980. Dave McCabe (Superscouse) is a chef in Leeds, I believe. M. Nicholson's late father Cliff used to be my plasterer. Another true hero, sadly missed.

Subject: Joe Bananas- Star of No.19

Posted by Derek Walmsley
Saturday, February 10, 2001 at 00:52:10

In response to Troll, the "strange looking member of staff in picture 19" is Joe Bananas a.k.a. Joe Cool a.k.a. Mr. Wilson. Remember his white VW Beetle with the WAL (West Africa) sticker on ? I am forever grateful for JB imprinting on my brain the rainfall and temperature charts for Ouagadougou and the purpose of a "shaduf". Both in Geography and Economics he was renowned for the vast volume of handouts from the spirit duplicator. He probably spent 99% of BBGS's paper budget for the year in the first term! If anyone is stuck with any of the names on the photos I have 99% of them in a database which hopefully could result in an index!

Subject: Image 24

Posted by Alan T
Friday, February 09, 2001 at 20:27:46

Doesn't the Bernie of that pic resemble George V? Is it just the beard? Or were they both lazy bastards of a superior disposition?

Subject: Pic 21

Posted by Paul
Friday, February 09, 2001 at 19:46:10

Didn't Bernie star in that situation comedy, "George and Mildred"?

Subject: photos

Posted by ian
Friday, February 09, 2001 at 17:19:19

Love the shots of the masters; why do they look as if an undertaker has just said 'that's the best I can do; you can have them for five minutes then they must go back in the freezer'?

Subject: Pics

Posted by TROLL
Friday, February 09, 2001 at 10:28:46

See! Eels is sat down doing nothing again looking remarkably likeBasil Fawlty (years before he was famous).Who is the strange lookingmember of staff in pic.19 with the unfortunate hairdo?Moonhead smiling?Digital enhancement I think.

Subject: Image 21

Posted by Ern
Thursday, February 08, 2001 at 13:46:24

This sort of thing should be banned! - I may have nightmares! I have seen the face of evil.

Subject: image 14

Posted by Ern
Thursday, February 08, 2001 at 11:03:58

Image 14 is a real 'nasty' isn't it?


Posted by Ern
Thursday, February 08, 2001 at 10:56:40

Apache - seems to have solved your problem - I can see all the pics from here (work) now.

Subject: Server

Posted by PFW
Thursday, February 08, 2001 at 10:16:03

I seem to experiencing difficulties with the server hosting the latest images. Access is available from commercial ISPs but seems to fall down on company LANs like BAe etc... Probably some firewall thing (?). Any gurus please advise... Meanwhile.. I will make alternative arrangments. I'm serving them from a PC running Microsoft Webserver.....

Subject: Captain Sarcastic

Posted by Ern
Wednesday, February 07, 2001 at 22:37:59

Thanks Phil, I haven't laughed so much for ages!



Posted by Phil
Tuesday, February 06, 2001 at 12:01:48

Smiley Happy People Moonhead smiling! A first surely. Dave Kelly wasn't from Earth was he?
Yes.. the result of strategically placed injections of botulinum toxin, applied just prior to the photo shoot

Subject: Smiley Happy People

Posted by Ern
Tuesday, February 06, 2001 at 11:54:36

Moonhead smiling! A first surely. Dave Kelly wasn't from Earth was he?

Subject: U15 XV 1976-1977

Posted by Derek Walmsley
Sunday, February 04, 2001 at 18:42:32

As Phil says, there's many more of these historical (or hysterical) shots scanned for future on-line transmission! Back Row:- J.Kyme, J.Ducie, D. Cavard, G. Miles, P. Hutton, G. Horden Middle Row:- D. Smith, M. Royle, M. Nicholson, S. Adams, M. Holmes, W. Pears, R. Denby Front Row:- C. Hewson, P. Dawson, Mr. Hamer, J. Gunson, Mr. Kelly, D. McCabe, D. Benson


Posted by Awh ENGINEER
Friday, February 02, 2001 at 11:03:32

In response to the message posted to this page by IT I am also aware of the artist who Designed the infamous Cylinder on the roundabout he is an extremely competent artist and the work would have been acredit to the people of Barrow however we allowed the local press to hi-jack the project and force there opinions on the ill-informed readers with a constant stream of poor images and an obviously biased stream of editorial. we did not see any such criticism of the ghastly extension to Tesco, could this be because Tesco sell the Evening mail?

Subject: "IT" message to Wilf

Posted by PH
Thursday, February 01, 2001 at 19:41:04

IT - I'm married Wilf's grand-niece, I'll pass along your message - Wilf got married a few years back and now lives in Stainton, Dennis on the other hand lives next to my parents on Hornedale Ave, guess he couldn't stay away from the place even after retirement.

Subject: School & team colours

Posted by BioBiz
Thursday, February 01, 2001 at 18:22:32

Winners of team colours were allowed to wear the special light blue ties. Winners of school colours - a much rarer breed - were able to sport a badge on their blazers that was made of gold wire - and cost some £20 in the mid-1970s. Team colours, I recall, were handed out to those individuals who had appeared regularly in one of the first teams during the season. School colours were handed out to sporting individuals whose efforts were considered exceptional and inspirational. Not surprisingly there weren't many of those - especially in Butler House.

Subject: school dinners

Posted by o. twist
Thursday, February 01, 2001 at 17:04:32

In reply to the earlier question about school dinners - they were indescribable (liver with strange white tubes in it, grey mashed potato, etc), until the kitchens came under Cumbrian regulations (so something good did come out of swapping counties after all). Then suddenly there was a salad bar of all things and Fido stew disappeared (only to resurface in just about any hospital or university canteen I've eaten in since).

Subject: Shy Boys

Posted by Paul
Thursday, February 01, 2001 at 14:51:25

Talking of shy boys and the Stanglers, why doesn't "Basher" enlighten us all as to how his nickname was arrived at? I'm sure that working in his field he reads, but doesn't post. A serious suggestion - the predominance of the 1969/70 to 1971/2 correspondees is probably due to the fact that this site is publicised by word-of mouth and most year groups didn't form friendships beyond their age bands. That, in a boy's school, could have led to mischief of the most grievous kind. Instead we had inculcated within us utter contempt of boys who were smaller, younger, weaker, different or stupid, together with utter fear of boys who were older, stronger, brighter etc. Girls were strange things next door who were ruled over by a witch and we didn't mix with them either. A great starting philosophy for life for which I'm eternally grateful to the grammar school.

Subject: Carpets and fags

Posted by Neil
Wednesday, January 31, 2001 at 19:16:25

The sticky carpet at Maxims was due not to its undoubted inferior quality, but to years of spilt beer, copious expectorations and an admirable lack of hygiene from the management. A number of the expectorations came from Jean Jacques Burnel of the Stranglers. I remember in 1976, just as they were breaking through, they played at Maxims, mingling with and gobbing at the clubbers after completing their set. As for people reading this site, I think Alan T is correctin that many do so, but don't post messages for fear of embarrassment or being seen as naff. As an elderly fag from 1969/70 I know of at least four of my contemporaries who read these Comments but don't join in...... still shy after all these years!

Subject: Speech Day

Posted by Graham Spencer
Wednesday, January 31, 2001 at 16:12:08

Hello from another "fag" from 1972, proper speech days did finish before we arrived.........thank G*d. I think the watered down version was for the presentations of School & House Colours etc for Sporting prowess. I seem to remember if you had school colours you got to wear a special tie etc so you stood out from the rest of us "plebs".

Subject: Speech Day

Posted by Alan T
Wednesday, January 31, 2001 at 12:55:43

I remember something of that sort that went on in the hall, dead dull drone drone "Dux of the Science Side Timothy Isaacs Blah Blah", having started in '72, it was obviously a watered down attempt to give us backbone etc. Can anyone explain why there are so few postings from any other than the first forms of '71 and '72? Is the anonymous thing clouding my vision? Does anyone read but not post at all? And what were school dinners like?

Subject: Cylinder

Posted by IT
Wednesday, January 31, 2001 at 11:55:22

It turns out that I know the artist who made the controversial cylinder-on-a-roundabout proposal. He is a mate of mine and I have the highest opinion of his work!! He was an engineer before he became an artist. Philistines though they can sometimes be, I thought the folk of Barrow might have recognised the quality in his work. He is really very good at making things!

Subject: Maxim's Carpet

Posted by Brian McBride
Wednesday, January 31, 2001 at 09:08:44

At Christmas, I went to a charity bash at (what used to be called "Whispers") "Joy" nightclub at Ramsden Square. It was the first time I'd been in the place for about 20 years. Apart from the place's decor being totally untouched since that time, my feet stuck to the carpet there too. Presumably it's some dodgy carpet fitter in Barrow to blame or Peter Miller (the owner of Maxims) was in such a rush to cash in his chips before fleeing to the U.S. in 1973 that he sold it on to Walter Floyd for a fiver.


Posted by Derek Walmsley
Tuesday, January 30, 2001 at 23:08:10

I remember the last formal Speech Day was held when I was in the first year, probably late 1971. I was with the sopranos in Bondy's choir adding my pre-adolescent pipes to "John Mouldy" and "Matona Lovely Maiden". The masters ALL wore gowns and there were many presentations. I don't think the archaic tradition would have gelled with the 1970s vibe of the Civic Hall so the demise of the Public Hall was the final nail in the coffin. There was of course that other noble tradition - "Fags Day". Fortunately we had Games in the last double period at the end of term. We all ran at top speed from the changing room down the fields to the sanctuary of Park Drive. This apparently saved many from being debagged or having their heads pushed down toilets.

Subject: Speechless at Maxims

Posted by Neil
Tuesday, January 30, 2001 at 19:51:15

No, but I do remember my feet getting stuck to the "carpet" at that wonderful establishment after it had been open as a nightclub fora few years.

Subject: Speech day

Posted by willi
Tuesday, January 30, 2001 at 10:49:39

anyone remember what this was all about then - why did it stop? was it to do with the Public Hall being turned into Maxims?

Subject: Hurdling

Posted by Paul
Monday, January 29, 2001 at 22:02:29

Gomez aka Bernie aka Eli Eales was quite partial to "hurdling". He'd line up a bunch of unfortunates and make them hurl themselves at a row of three hurdles in the gym. Which adolescent in his right mind is going to present his knackers to a solid wooden bar at a height calculated to do most damage to the wedding tackle? We'd rather catch shot putts on our heads. Problem was that you couldn't gain prof points for this or for "running until you were tired". After the second year I got a paper round so that was prof points done and dusted. Life has been much easier ever since.


Posted by IT
Monday, January 29, 2001 at 17:55:52

How I wish I had been in Butler! It is where I belonged!!

Subject: School Sports

Posted by Graham Spencer
Monday, January 29, 2001 at 11:39:00

In true Butler tradition I was the representative in the School Sports in the High Jump. It must go down in the history of the event as the only competition where everyone "failed" the initial height and the bar had to be put down. HA HA HA and all in front of an amused school/ parents/ dignitaries etc Needless to say my face was as red as my shirt.

Subject: Butler

Posted by LM
Saturday, January 27, 2001 at 17:00:46

As a member of Butler house in the seveties, I now realise it was truly a great British institution insofar as it taught us to get used to losing. I do recall being sent off by Stiff-arm for scoring against his house and then being threatened with the same same fate by Slug in the next match for entering the opposition penalty area for the second time in 6 years.

Subject: P.E.

Posted by TROLL
Saturday, January 27, 2001 at 09:30:46

Gomez and his side-kick Rocky! Rocky was a new-age wimp.For a true side-kick who shared Gomez' delusions of being a big man you have to hand it to Martin Bellarby.Small man syndrome personified.... By the way,does anyone remember Gomez actually physically doing anything?He strutted around in white trews with a whistle barking out orders,and not a lot else.


Posted by IT
Friday, January 26, 2001 at 13:44:10

If you are in touch with Wilf, please pass on my regards. I'm sure that schoolmasters don't get enough feedback from their ex-pupils. I put Wilf's classes above all the others. Also convey best wishes to Dennis, who did do his utmost to drum some French into me. I took a field trip to Paris a couple of years ago and managed to ask for a table, order a meal and pay for it, all in something like French. So it wasn't entirely wasted!

Subject: Kimber/javelin interface

Posted by Alan T
Friday, January 26, 2001 at 13:05:35

Thank God they missed him, I need all the ex masters I can to keep me in business. Dennis Clampton sends his regards. Right about prof. points too everyone. No wonder sport is such a minority activity at school nowadays.

Subject: Sport (ugh!)

Posted by IT
Friday, January 26, 2001 at 09:27:15

Oh yes.. all that pain comes back. Proficiency points were the worst - I never got a single one! Why were the standards so unreasonably high! The only sport I showed any talent for was basketball, but when the football clique joined in, I never got any passes. A few years before my time, someone tried to see Wilf Kimber off with a javelin. It was part of the folklore for a few years.

Subject: Sadists

Posted by Ern
Friday, January 26, 2001 at 09:02:30

As one who was reasonably good at 'games', I have to say that I still to this day bear a grudge against that nasty little sadist 'Gomez' and his dumb muscle headed sidekick 'Rocky' If the sport you were good at wasn't rugby, football or table tennis, you were stuffed. Representing the northern counties at the crystal palace in your own chosen field of physical exertion was actually frowned upon because you happened to miss a school first team rugby fixture. In deference to the webmasters dislike of gratuitous bad language, I'll leave it there!

Subject: this sporting life

Posted by ian
Friday, January 26, 2001 at 08:22:06

Talking of things not to do with athletics implements, didn't someone once misinterpret Gomez's instruction to 'put the javelin firmly in the ground' at the end of a games lesson and impale his own foot? On another matter, Ciaran, as one of the larger pupils (all right, fat git if you must), the inferiority complex works the other way round; trust me, finishing last in the cross country behind two boys with asthma also leaves a mark. The policy of matching physique to sport never seemed to occur to anyone (the idea that we might *enjoy* sport if we did this seemed beyond their ken). It's certainly left me with a life-long loathing of sport (except women's high-diving - a much underrated spectator sport).

Subject: Sub No-Hopers

Posted by Neil
Thursday, January 25, 2001 at 22:24:58

Think yourself lucky - some of us were so crap that we did our best to shrink into little unnoticeable balls during PE and games. My most memorable moment was when Ian Royle threw a shot-put onto my head in 1971. I recall Eales' Doug Digby-like concern as the blood spurted into my eyes - "Get in the showers and wash it off". 6 hours,6 stitches and 4 throw ups later I finally realised that I was still alive. My friend the late Pete Delaney tried to go one better in about 1973 by trying to catch a discus between his teeth - fortunately he succeeded and retained all his own choppers to his dying day.

Subject: NO HOPERS

Posted by CIARAN
Thursday, January 25, 2001 at 17:02:43

I'm sure we've done the butler thing before but the no hopers were the lucky ones. Myself and Karl Dodd made the fringes of the shool soccer and rugby teams during the years and were forced by Tez to enter everything else. Prof points were my worst nightmare particularly shot put in U16 as a 4th year as I had an early birthday not U14 1/2 like some luckier people. The embarrasment of being barely able to lift the bloody thing let alone throw it with the Giants such as Bull, Rooke and Wolfe sniggering alongside scarrrd me forever

Subject: Butler House

Posted by Graham Spencer
Thursday, January 25, 2001 at 16:52:22

I even remember some of "our" team resorting to throwing Mud at the opposition in a vain attempt to stop them. There was at least less chance of getting hurt utilising that method!!!!!!

Subject: Butler House

Posted by ian
Thursday, January 25, 2001 at 13:37:14

For most of the seventies, Butler seemed to recruit every physical wreck and sporting no-hoper in the school (I know, I was one of them). There is something truly inspired about seeing one of your own side get the ball in a house rugby match and in a blind panic run towards his own line (perhaps uniquely in the history of the game, he had to be tackled by a member of his own side). I think Mouncey in particular was convinced we were doing it deliberately.

Subject: House Points

Posted by Graham Spencer
Thursday, January 25, 2001 at 11:28:03

As for house points WE in Butler always needed them !!!!!! I remember Tez Mayes saying "Well Butler House after an incredibly hard year...........we managed to come 5th out of 4" That virtually summed us up..........remembering being part of (if thats the way one can put being on the wrong end) of 80-90 point thrashings. But in the true Olympic spirit was the taking part that counted .....yeah right.

Subject: Tonsorial Challenges

Posted by Alan T
Wednesday, January 24, 2001 at 21:42:16

......and think of the savings in another who plucks his follicles to maintain a modern appearance, I can heartily agree. House points eh? Who needed the bloody things?

Subject: Tonsorial Challenges

Posted by Hirsute
Wednesday, January 24, 2001 at 19:13:57

On the subject of hair - some of us choose not to have much because it's trendy. I, of course, if I wanted to, could grow it back but choose to keep it incredibly short. Honest. Does anyone remember Bernie (Eli) Eales' threat to rub chewing gum in pupils eyebrows if they were caught with the awful stuff? All bluster that bloke...... He did tell me once to run round the track until I was "tired" in a very severe voice - a punishment for playing bowls with the shot putts (well, I only weighed about 3 stones at the time, how far was I supposed to throw a 16 pound lump of metal?). More to the point - why would I want to do it? For a house point? I did manage to jump the 1 meter bar in 1971, but only because some fatty had landed on it previously and it was severely bent in the middle. Quick as a flash, I leapt to the front of the queue and got my jump in. I only just made it, too. Barrow house was eternally grateful for my effort.


Posted by Graham Spencer
Tuesday, January 23, 2001 at 16:48:50

I reckon that the majority of the people do not look any older..............................................its just the hair cuts that are different. Thats if we have ANY hair left that is.

Subject: that photo

Posted by Alan T
Monday, January 22, 2001 at 20:51:46

I'd completely forgotten Frank "Fred" Marshall, he's still around Barrow, maybe at 6th Form. Doesn't look a day older, more than can be said for Messrs Adams, Linton, Gunson, Rayner, Moore etc.. Many of those faces are still around too.

Subject: that photo

Posted by Alan T
Monday, January 22, 2001 at 20:51:27

I'd completely forgotten Frank "Fred" Marshall, he's still around Barrow, maybe at 6th Form. Doesn't look a day older, more than can be said for meers Adams, Linton, Gunson, Rayner, Moore etc.. Many of those faces are still around too.

Subject: Amphitheatrical antics

Posted by Neil
Saturday, January 20, 2001 at 16:36:16

I know the exact "lift off terrace" that you're talking about. At the bottom there were some sandstone blocks and unless you aimed correctly at the top there was nothing you could do to miss them!

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